women in Berget..
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women in Berget..
Hello, they call me the "Black Widow". I'm on an American Airsoft team that is strictly Mil-Sim trained and indoctrinated. Our game master, who owns the team is a former US Army Green Beret, so he teaches a short, not too intensive course called "RECONDO". (%th Special Forces - Vietnam).
Anyway, I'm kind of interested in the idea of the Berget-Events in Europe, even though we have Operation Lion Claws here in the States. So I thought I'd pose this question to any of you veterans, and the question I have is this.
Are there any female playing along with the men on all sides? And if they do, where do they sleep in the field, bathroom facilities/showers, is a small area set aside from the men, or do they all sleep together (European v. American cultural differences).
I'm 62 years of age, fairly active, and a former US Servicemember during the Vietnam conflict, and went through Desert Storm/Shield1 with the Air Force.
So I'm kind of interested in how females are actually working with the men - LOL.
Thanks,
Cam
Black Widow
Anyway, I'm kind of interested in the idea of the Berget-Events in Europe, even though we have Operation Lion Claws here in the States. So I thought I'd pose this question to any of you veterans, and the question I have is this.
Are there any female playing along with the men on all sides? And if they do, where do they sleep in the field, bathroom facilities/showers, is a small area set aside from the men, or do they all sleep together (European v. American cultural differences).
I'm 62 years of age, fairly active, and a former US Servicemember during the Vietnam conflict, and went through Desert Storm/Shield1 with the Air Force.
So I'm kind of interested in how females are actually working with the men - LOL.
Thanks,
Cam
Black Widow
Hi Cam,
having three girls in my team back home and having seen two of them through berget games so far, I could say there is no big difference in the game.
They share same tents and toilets, walk the same mileage and eat the same junk as men do. So no differences, really.
cheers,
Brujo
having three girls in my team back home and having seen two of them through berget games so far, I could say there is no big difference in the game.
They share same tents and toilets, walk the same mileage and eat the same junk as men do. So no differences, really.
cheers,
Brujo
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Hi,
I've been in last 3 bergets (7/8/9) and I've seen 1, 2 or 3 female players while at the game. So my two s€nts are there's few females per berget game.
During berget 7 we had one female player on my side and what I recall she lived through the whole event with the rest of her team, sleeping in the same tent etc. But finnish women that are into airsoft are more likely to have "men? well if they've not seen a women before then it's there problem" mentality overall. This is only my own personal image I've received during my airsoft hobby (2006->) regarding all airsoft games I've been at.
In berget I've seen women of other nationalities too, but I do not know how they've felt about the utilities etc.
As a male player this is not such a concern to me personally but I hope berget crew is aware of this possible issue.
Please correct me if I've said something that is totally out of the blue. =)
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Brujo summarised the point very well. =D
I've been in last 3 bergets (7/8/9) and I've seen 1, 2 or 3 female players while at the game. So my two s€nts are there's few females per berget game.
During berget 7 we had one female player on my side and what I recall she lived through the whole event with the rest of her team, sleeping in the same tent etc. But finnish women that are into airsoft are more likely to have "men? well if they've not seen a women before then it's there problem" mentality overall. This is only my own personal image I've received during my airsoft hobby (2006->) regarding all airsoft games I've been at.
In berget I've seen women of other nationalities too, but I do not know how they've felt about the utilities etc.
As a male player this is not such a concern to me personally but I hope berget crew is aware of this possible issue.
Please correct me if I've said something that is totally out of the blue. =)
EDIT:
Brujo summarised the point very well. =D
"One shot, One kill." "First to aid, last to die."
Yep, women are out there like the men, but if they wish a separate time table will be granted/instructed for separate washing/showering etc. As far as I know, they do sleep in the same tents, but that would be with their own teams.
Are you coming over to join us at the game? You wouldn't be the first US player around
Are you coming over to join us at the game? You wouldn't be the first US player around
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Berget 7: PtnCO 2nd platoon 2nd coy
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In B8 we had a mighty fine female warrior in our group, no special treatments were set for her, she did the job like every other ranger did in B8. That time, we were stationed behind enemy lines so all we had was a self made field toilet, with a little cover to give at least some privacy. If I remember correctly, we had 2 females with our Bat. that year?
So I wouldn't count on getting more that that
if we do, well it's a damn luxury bonus!
So I wouldn't count on getting more that that
if we do, well it's a damn luxury bonus!
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I do not see any difference.
Women and men plays Berget on same terms.
People with spesific needs, male or not, talk to Berget Crew about it.
I see your age, not your gender.
Lots of roles for players your age
I am getting old myselfe. So I look for the role that fits me.
One nice thing with Berget is it so big you can deside for yourselfe how "hardcore" or not you will play.
What sort of role do you want?. Give an example
Women and men plays Berget on same terms.
People with spesific needs, male or not, talk to Berget Crew about it.
I see your age, not your gender.
Lots of roles for players your age
I am getting old myselfe. So I look for the role that fits me.
One nice thing with Berget is it so big you can deside for yourselfe how "hardcore" or not you will play.
What sort of role do you want?. Give an example
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Females
I'm a 62 year old Filipino American female, grandmother to three grandchildren.
I"m not adverse to sleeping with the guys, but I guess being American kind of limits me to some degree; but I do adapt. Since I don't know how European males look upon women playing Airsoft, I was afraid I'd have a bunch of cranky, out of my face, male with an attitude problem..
Well if you don't mind a woman showering along with the males, I couldn't think of a fun way to spend two weeks (NOT THAT I"M LOOKING, plus I'm still married - LOL).
So if I do go, and play don't be surprised to see a 6-1 Filipino Female, who can curse and swear with the best of you guys, and still down MRE's with the best of you.....
Take care,
I"m not adverse to sleeping with the guys, but I guess being American kind of limits me to some degree; but I do adapt. Since I don't know how European males look upon women playing Airsoft, I was afraid I'd have a bunch of cranky, out of my face, male with an attitude problem..
Well if you don't mind a woman showering along with the males, I couldn't think of a fun way to spend two weeks (NOT THAT I"M LOOKING, plus I'm still married - LOL).
So if I do go, and play don't be surprised to see a 6-1 Filipino Female, who can curse and swear with the best of you guys, and still down MRE's with the best of you.....
Take care,
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@blackwidow
Its a ticket lock down.
Since you are overseas y can ask Bergetcrew for a ticket if they have one left for you to pay.
Probably they do not even have time to answer you..
Regardless. If you make the trip you are wlcome
Again I ask you what role you want in the game. Grunt, staff, medic etc ?
Its a ticket lock down.
Since you are overseas y can ask Bergetcrew for a ticket if they have one left for you to pay.
Probably they do not even have time to answer you..
Regardless. If you make the trip you are wlcome
Again I ask you what role you want in the game. Grunt, staff, medic etc ?
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@ blackwidow
the only one with an attitude problem is Rectunator
please know that as in any part of the world there will be sexist-bastards
and also so in the airsoft community, but the major part of us at berget are
ok guys!
the only one with an attitude problem is Rectunator
please know that as in any part of the world there will be sexist-bastards
and also so in the airsoft community, but the major part of us at berget are
ok guys!
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Erm... sexism what? In the two zansian squads that formed our unit, only one guy found time to actually shower during the last game (and he did it at night during off-game when we were finally in base, sacrificing sleep) and going without showers caused no problems ingame. But I guess it's different in more casual units.
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@ Rectunator
i did not mean that you are a sexist, but that there are sexist people on berget.
But i mean that you had kind of an attitude problem expressing yourself in the way you did:
plays in C&C unit she will probably have time to shower since they are mostly in base.
i did not mean that you are a sexist, but that there are sexist people on berget.
But i mean that you had kind of an attitude problem expressing yourself in the way you did:
if you did not mean to talk down to her then okay, my bad, I'm sorry. but the way you wrote it was like she being a not knowing. and just because you didn't shower does not mean that people in other units does not have time. if sheHaha, she thinks there's time to shower or change clothes in Berget. That's so sweet.
plays in C&C unit she will probably have time to shower since they are mostly in base.
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But that's a paradox! If she plays in a CnC-unit, she might not get sweaty in the big bad bush or going up and down the hills at all. And if she hasnt been to Berget before the she does not know, what's so strange about that? If she did, there wouldnt be any guestions. The point of your message and your lack of sense of humour confuses me.
The showers are a secondary luxury, as long as you keep your ass well wiped and buttocks greased, you're good to go. And I'm not saying this just to humour our Swedish hosts.
The showers are a secondary luxury, as long as you keep your ass well wiped and buttocks greased, you're good to go. And I'm not saying this just to humour our Swedish hosts.
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I think one of the things of this event, one of those little things which when combined make this game so spectacular for many, is that you do not shower during the event. At least is to me. =) Shower is a secondary luxury, just like Rectunator well said. "Ei se väärin oo." / "It ain't wrong." as we Finns say, but I'd leave shower to the trip back home. Besides if this would be a real war situation there wouldn't most likely be any possibility to shower anyways.
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Re: women in Berget..
blackwidow wrote:Are there any female playing along with the men on all sides?
Yup, and generally they perform better and whine less than most of the girlie-men attending Berget.
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