The handling of civilians by Blue Forces in the past
Posted: 19 Dec 2015, 14:59
Hello
I have been to four Berget Games, 6/7 , 9/10. During the first two i went with Conarads Mercs and Milos Tigers respectivly and had plenty of contact and resulting LARP with civis. The last two games i played as a civilian myself. During these times i heard, watched and expierenced quite a large number of actions and behaviour by Blue Forces against civilians. Actions that resulted in the event that the civilians took up arms against those units that were „by the rules“ protectors and keepers of the civilians.
During 2002-2010 i was serving with the German Army. In this time spend some time in Bosnia 02/04-05/04, Kabul 10/05-03/06, and MeS 10/06-03/07. During the first two ops i was a mobile soldier. We were on patrol outside the base on a daily basis, so i think i have quite some experience on counts of interaction, reading them for their needs and basicly make them feel comfortable. Because in the end these people may help you by giving you Infos you never had gotten otherwise or lead you away from mines. And it is a good basic for some LARP for myself.
So, beeing Blue Force by myself, i thougt that this way of thinking must be one of those considert useful for Berget.
But when i came to Berget i always got some other experience from the Blue Units.
One prime example of this was B10. We few civilians survivors of Janco camped directly ,in full view, next to the NAF camp. The poldavian units were looking for us and would kill us on the spot if they found us. NAF´s prime paranoia was not to get Pysops in their base. This meant no entrance to the base without a passport.
In both Kabul and MeS you have civilians the base all the day. Builders, Vendors, Workers etc. The most of those are kept in a very simple way in a specific part of the camp. This simple way is a fence, wire barrier, etc. So you can talk to the civilians,, maybe call a medic, keep them on their job without the problem that they wander all around the base.
Blue Forces are also very much on the edge. There is a difference between awareness and alertness. And Blue Forces always seem to be not only on the edge but also very jumpy around civilians.
For example, i already had a pass for the NAF base because i was one of Robmans relatives and informants. My mate also wanted one. For this you had to be bodysearched. I had no problems with this, but my mate. So, instead of basicly saying, „No search, no pass, please leave the base under escort“, they physicly assaulted him, put him in the dirt, cuff him and put him into custody...
That´s great for winning hearts and minds, really. NAF, Fail, sit down.
On the other side Red Forces, while also not free from doing bad stuff, esp at B9, where very much more relaxt and helpful to the civilians. You could do good business with them without beeing viewed from behind as beeing a potential killer that ist going to go at me at any point by blue. They were also never as jumpy or on the edge as Blue.
Otherwise i have know other way of explaining what i did. I made my way to a poldavian patrol and asked them if i could come with them to their base to speak to their commander.
A slight reminder to the storyline: The same poldavian were looking to kill the survivors, including me.
They accepted and asked me in a friendly and polite way if i was armed. I replied that i had a pistol in my pocket which they took and emptied in the same way. During the walk i was never touched by a weapon, cuffed or blindfolded and walked freely into the poldavian base. I met with the PsyOps commander, Freno, and basicly talked to him about getting a PsyOps engineer with an explosive charge into the FAD in the NAF base by a way not patrolled by NAF and by this blow it up unseen. Just to get some slight breath from NAF.
In the end the whole thing worked out exept for the end. When we walked through the COMPLETELY unguarded NAF main entrance we were well inside the base before anyone noticed us and i had to take to great lenghts to find one of the officers to show them my passport on which i had written that this guy was PsyOps. So NAF arrested me, took me from the guy because appearently my papers werent right. Then they searched the guy found this charge and arrested him. Wihle i was away in the tent i tould the story to some of the NAF officers and also told him about all those people who were Psyops but were posing as civilians. Sorry, i cant remember your names, its some time ago now, maybe one of them was the irish guy. I left the base with a great thanks and thought that this was a thing that would have changed the thinking of NAF.
I thought. Wrong.
When i got into the base next time i was apprehended by some NAF guys and was told that i was to be shot on the spot. When i asked for the reason someone said that i had pissed off the NAF commander personally, and that was the reason to shoot me... After delivering intel and a prisoner.
NAF, FAIL, sit down.
At this point the irish guy interrupted them and took over from them. Thats the only reason i left the base alive.
Another year, same situation: During B9 we were on route with four civilians to the area near the roadblock at the old Ammodepot dug in the mountain. Two policemen, incl me, one merchant driver and one young boy for whom´s stuff we were searching. As we arrived the roadblock was manned by Blue Forces. The commander wouldn´t let us go past. He said if we passed and something happend to us he would be diciplined. He would make very sure that we didn´t. And this would be deadly force...
Nice, really.
We turned about, moved around the next corner, cut through the woods and returned to the road behind the roadblock. After about two hours later we returned from our trip and found the roadblock under a new NAF unit. Which waved us through without any problems....
What´s going on NAF?
So i think it is no wonder at all that civilians are taking up arms against their protectors. And these situations are just those that i remember instantly, without great thinking.
I still cannot see the reason behind this and the the inner thinkings of Blue Forces. You have some splendid Officers, McNeill, Robman, Judgment, Wormbyte, the irish guy and the sniper which the broken leg, we met during the Dark Emergency II in Germany. The german grenadiers with their Unimog I at B9, Again sorry that i don´t remember your names. But most of the rest of Blue , about 90%, is not up to the job. If Blue would show the same tendencies and attitudes under real circumstances you would be very lucky if their was some gravity left to get you back to earth after your kick in the butt. But unless those 90% don´t make a massive change of mind this will continue, i´m afraid.
And to the NAF commander who wanted to shoot me just because i pissed him of. That´s a fine charakter for a leadership role. If this would be real he should be packing for a long holiday in the Netherlands. The Hague is a fine city with some great hotels. Maybe you get the room next to Karadzic.
And i know that this maybe something outdated, but i thought that later is better then never.
NightSarge
I have been to four Berget Games, 6/7 , 9/10. During the first two i went with Conarads Mercs and Milos Tigers respectivly and had plenty of contact and resulting LARP with civis. The last two games i played as a civilian myself. During these times i heard, watched and expierenced quite a large number of actions and behaviour by Blue Forces against civilians. Actions that resulted in the event that the civilians took up arms against those units that were „by the rules“ protectors and keepers of the civilians.
During 2002-2010 i was serving with the German Army. In this time spend some time in Bosnia 02/04-05/04, Kabul 10/05-03/06, and MeS 10/06-03/07. During the first two ops i was a mobile soldier. We were on patrol outside the base on a daily basis, so i think i have quite some experience on counts of interaction, reading them for their needs and basicly make them feel comfortable. Because in the end these people may help you by giving you Infos you never had gotten otherwise or lead you away from mines. And it is a good basic for some LARP for myself.
So, beeing Blue Force by myself, i thougt that this way of thinking must be one of those considert useful for Berget.
But when i came to Berget i always got some other experience from the Blue Units.
One prime example of this was B10. We few civilians survivors of Janco camped directly ,in full view, next to the NAF camp. The poldavian units were looking for us and would kill us on the spot if they found us. NAF´s prime paranoia was not to get Pysops in their base. This meant no entrance to the base without a passport.
In both Kabul and MeS you have civilians the base all the day. Builders, Vendors, Workers etc. The most of those are kept in a very simple way in a specific part of the camp. This simple way is a fence, wire barrier, etc. So you can talk to the civilians,, maybe call a medic, keep them on their job without the problem that they wander all around the base.
Blue Forces are also very much on the edge. There is a difference between awareness and alertness. And Blue Forces always seem to be not only on the edge but also very jumpy around civilians.
For example, i already had a pass for the NAF base because i was one of Robmans relatives and informants. My mate also wanted one. For this you had to be bodysearched. I had no problems with this, but my mate. So, instead of basicly saying, „No search, no pass, please leave the base under escort“, they physicly assaulted him, put him in the dirt, cuff him and put him into custody...
That´s great for winning hearts and minds, really. NAF, Fail, sit down.
On the other side Red Forces, while also not free from doing bad stuff, esp at B9, where very much more relaxt and helpful to the civilians. You could do good business with them without beeing viewed from behind as beeing a potential killer that ist going to go at me at any point by blue. They were also never as jumpy or on the edge as Blue.
Otherwise i have know other way of explaining what i did. I made my way to a poldavian patrol and asked them if i could come with them to their base to speak to their commander.
A slight reminder to the storyline: The same poldavian were looking to kill the survivors, including me.
They accepted and asked me in a friendly and polite way if i was armed. I replied that i had a pistol in my pocket which they took and emptied in the same way. During the walk i was never touched by a weapon, cuffed or blindfolded and walked freely into the poldavian base. I met with the PsyOps commander, Freno, and basicly talked to him about getting a PsyOps engineer with an explosive charge into the FAD in the NAF base by a way not patrolled by NAF and by this blow it up unseen. Just to get some slight breath from NAF.
In the end the whole thing worked out exept for the end. When we walked through the COMPLETELY unguarded NAF main entrance we were well inside the base before anyone noticed us and i had to take to great lenghts to find one of the officers to show them my passport on which i had written that this guy was PsyOps. So NAF arrested me, took me from the guy because appearently my papers werent right. Then they searched the guy found this charge and arrested him. Wihle i was away in the tent i tould the story to some of the NAF officers and also told him about all those people who were Psyops but were posing as civilians. Sorry, i cant remember your names, its some time ago now, maybe one of them was the irish guy. I left the base with a great thanks and thought that this was a thing that would have changed the thinking of NAF.
I thought. Wrong.
When i got into the base next time i was apprehended by some NAF guys and was told that i was to be shot on the spot. When i asked for the reason someone said that i had pissed off the NAF commander personally, and that was the reason to shoot me... After delivering intel and a prisoner.
NAF, FAIL, sit down.
At this point the irish guy interrupted them and took over from them. Thats the only reason i left the base alive.
Another year, same situation: During B9 we were on route with four civilians to the area near the roadblock at the old Ammodepot dug in the mountain. Two policemen, incl me, one merchant driver and one young boy for whom´s stuff we were searching. As we arrived the roadblock was manned by Blue Forces. The commander wouldn´t let us go past. He said if we passed and something happend to us he would be diciplined. He would make very sure that we didn´t. And this would be deadly force...
Nice, really.
We turned about, moved around the next corner, cut through the woods and returned to the road behind the roadblock. After about two hours later we returned from our trip and found the roadblock under a new NAF unit. Which waved us through without any problems....
What´s going on NAF?
So i think it is no wonder at all that civilians are taking up arms against their protectors. And these situations are just those that i remember instantly, without great thinking.
I still cannot see the reason behind this and the the inner thinkings of Blue Forces. You have some splendid Officers, McNeill, Robman, Judgment, Wormbyte, the irish guy and the sniper which the broken leg, we met during the Dark Emergency II in Germany. The german grenadiers with their Unimog I at B9, Again sorry that i don´t remember your names. But most of the rest of Blue , about 90%, is not up to the job. If Blue would show the same tendencies and attitudes under real circumstances you would be very lucky if their was some gravity left to get you back to earth after your kick in the butt. But unless those 90% don´t make a massive change of mind this will continue, i´m afraid.
And to the NAF commander who wanted to shoot me just because i pissed him of. That´s a fine charakter for a leadership role. If this would be real he should be packing for a long holiday in the Netherlands. The Hague is a fine city with some great hotels. Maybe you get the room next to Karadzic.
And i know that this maybe something outdated, but i thought that later is better then never.
NightSarge